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[–]zaba717 87 points88 points ago

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Nothin' wrong with writers including elements of those who inspired them. Tolkien himself used a lot of elements from his favorite piece of literature Beowulf.

[–]chrsaud 46 points47 points ago

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I honestly think Rowling did quite a good job appropriating from other pieces of literature.

[–]drunxor 7 points8 points ago

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You can say that again

[–]solidwhetstone 43 points44 points ago

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I honestly think Rowling did quite a good job appropriating from other pieces of literature.

[–]Modestjake 0 points1 point ago

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You can say that again

[–]humenbean 8 points9 points ago

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That. Now stop this shit.

[–]chrsaud -1 points0 points ago

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Ahaha i was so confused about your comment at first... It said I had a posting error the first time. Guess i'm a just dumbass.

[–]aesamattki 6 points7 points ago

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Even more from Ring of the Nibelung

[–]JustHere4TheDownVote 1 point2 points ago

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All literature is like something else that's been written. Hell.. The Lion King is from Shakespeare. It's more about your way of story telling. A lot of people couldn't accept this fact with Avatar.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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he borrowed everything from previous literature and norse mythology, there's hardly anything truly "original" in his books, but you could argue that about pretty all literature since the dawn of the written word

[–]StreamOfThought 68 points69 points ago

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They're called tropes. They are recurring themes or elements in literature and other kinds of storytelling that characterize a genre, culture, style, etc.

[–]aridsnowball 4 points5 points ago

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This is true, if you look at Star Wars they have a lot of the same themes as in Harry Potter, and Lord of the Rings. Stories from many different time periods that these same ideas and characters that represent distinct parts of humanity.

[–]jumpinjohnnycakes 12 points13 points ago

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Yes there are some similarities. It is the 8 million differences that make both interesting. Let's focus on those.

[–]Raven_blackwood 17 points18 points ago

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Actually in quite a few interviews Rowling admits to using tolkein as an inspiration for many of her characters.

[–]Guanren -1 points0 points ago

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"Admits"! She admitted it! Taking inspiration from the work of a previous generation... shamelessly using characteristics and iconography from PAST LITERATURE and then twisting it however she feels, polluting it by adding all her own new stuff... what a hack

[–]Raven_blackwood 0 points1 point ago

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Creative license

[–]squabbit 17 points18 points ago

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I just finished all of the Lord of the Rings "trilogy" and I don't remember any "snake men"

[–]thechungdynasty 13 points14 points ago

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nor was Gimli particularly hilarious, unless i missed something too..

[–]raedrik 7 points8 points ago

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One of my biggest gripes about the movies for LOTR was that they made Gimli the comic relief.

[–]explodingplant 11 points12 points ago

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There are a lot of HP-LOTR similarities but those in the link are not it. Leave it to the little ones: Harry's not little, he's young though; Frodo is not young, he's 50. You could say 'leave it to the orphans.' Wormtongue and Wormtail, no 'snake men.' They both have dwarves building underground cities of tunnels full of treasure too.

Ugly creature is not a similarity, Dobby is helpful, sweet, and not at all conflicted, hardly a Gollum character. Loser bff is not a similarity either, Harry and Ron do not have a master-servant friendship. Voldemort has his body for quite a bit, he doesn't parallel well to Sauron.

I'm not even a hardcore fan, I haven't seen/read all of the HP/LOTR material. Who makes a comic like this knowing nothing about the two franchises?

[–]Silentnite85 0 points1 point ago

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50 is young for a hobbit. Dobby is conflicted, because of his service to his "Master" until Harry releases him. Voldemort is out of his body for 1/3 of the series, give or take a hundred pages. Depending on how deep into LotR you read Sauron isn't out of body that long either. It's not a direct parallel but it's not hard to draw a line.

[–]bibliovore 1 point2 points ago

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50 is not actually that young for a hobbit, it would be about the equivalent of being 30-35 for us.

[–]Silentnite85 0 points1 point ago

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I got the impression that it was younger in the books. But maybe I'm getting my ages of Bilbo and Frodo mixed up. It honestly seemed like the four hobbits were considered "teenagers".

[–]bibliovore 1 point2 points ago

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Not inthe books. In the movies they definitely were, which is just one of the many things that bothered me...

[–]Dabakus 3 points4 points ago

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He's talking about Worm Tongue...I guess.

[–]daviator88 0 points1 point ago

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I thought Aragorn from his ring, the snake devouring itself.

[–]slashsigh 0 points1 point ago

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Grima Wormtongue is what it is referencing I'm sure.

[–]Labrahua 54 points55 points ago

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Dumbledore = Gandalf - Well, it's not surprising to have a old, wise master in a fairytale, and this concept was not invented by JRRT nor JKR

Ronald = Samwise - see above

Dobby = Gollum - How are those even remotely similar?

Dementors = Ringwraiths - I'll grant you that

Snape = Gríma - Have you read LOTR? Have you read HP? How could you possibly come to this conclusion?

Harry = Frodo - "little hero fights big evil" not invented by JRRT nor JKR

Voldemort = Sauron - Bad guy not invented by JRRT nor JKR

Weak Voldemort = Weak Sauron - growing threat not invented by JRRT nor JKR

Pettigrew = Saruman - Again I question whether you have read the books!

Aragog = Shelob - No no, those monsters are not similar.

Forbidden forrest = Forest of Fangorn - dark forrests not invented by JRRT nor JKR, implemented very differently

link between harry's, Voldemort's wands = the one ring - How in the world is the one ring a "link between good and evil"

House Ghosts = The shadow host - Really! REALLY!! Have you read the books?! scratch that: Have you even seen the films?

Hagrid = Gimli - that's it, I'm done

[–]psich001 30 points31 points ago

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Yes! I have only one addition. Sam isn't a "loser," as stated in the comic. He is the only character in the novel (besides Bombadil) who can resist the Ring's influence. In addition, he was almost single-handedly responsible for getting Frodo's sad ass through Mordor. He was one of the biggest badasses in the series!

Ron, on the other hand, won a game of chess that one time.

[–]sfwlz 18 points19 points ago

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I've not read the books, but love the films. And the list of Sam's badassery is impressive.

  • Frodo gets kidnapped by a Ranger who the barkeep tells Sam is really dangerous. Sam bursts into the room, unarmed, fists raised and demands Frodo back.
  • The ring wraiths confront the Hobbits at Weather-Top. Sam charges in and tries to fight all four of them.
  • Battles goblins in Moria.
  • Wades out into a river, knowing he can't swim, strapped down with gear to get to his friend so he can follow him to the worst place in the world.
  • Fights a giant spider.
  • Storms an orc fort by himself.

Sam is easily the bravest character in the story.

[–]samwisesamgee 6 points7 points ago

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Aw thanks guys.

[–]PeaceMonster 3 points4 points ago

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Not to mention CARRIES Frodo up the flipping mountain! Go, Samwise!

[–]slashsigh 2 points3 points ago

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I agree, hell even Tolkien held Sam in higher regard then pretty much every other character. Also and possibly most important you forgot to mention that he resisted the temptation of The One Ring, while holding it in his possession. This was something no other character aside from Bombadil(who wasn't in the films) could have done, even Gandalf feared that he might be tempted by it. In addition, Sam was apparently the only person recorded to have ever injured Shelob. Sam is undoubtedly the hero of the story.

[–]NeonCookies 3 points4 points ago

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Samwise is the true hero.

[–]ReflexMan 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah. Unfortunately, they did a pretty bang-up job of making Sam fit the stereotypical role of bumbling best friend who makes the hero look more badass by comparison. Most people who saw the movie without reading the books will never know.

(Note that I said "stereotypical," as I fully agree with Labrahua that most of the points on the list are archetypes, not something either author made up or stole.)

[–]shaggy1265 4 points5 points ago

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As sfwlz says below here Sam is a badass in the movie also. I have not read the books but based off the movie I always thought of him as a kinda timid looking guy who becomes a badass when its needed.

[–]huntreilly25 0 points1 point ago

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I came here to yell at the OP that Sam is not a loser!! so glad there are others here who understand

[–]widgetas 2 points3 points ago

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Similarly I was:

"K, eh, wha? Ye, teh fu-?, eh, mm, mhm, eh, WHA?, eh, eh, margh?, WOT"

The only thing I shall add is "Kindly uncle? Gimli would have your face off."

[–]deadgreystar 1 point2 points ago

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Well the one ring itself was a link to the other rings, which were given to 'good' leaders that got corrupted by the evil power of the one ring. So there is a link, a tenuous one though.

[–]shaggy1265 -2 points-1 points ago

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You need more upvotes!

[–]nomlah 4 points5 points ago

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You know what else!? I'm pretty sure they both had PEOPLE in them. What a fucking rip off.

[–]rjhunt42 4 points5 points ago

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I guarantee that you can compare star wars and lotr in the same way as well as a slew of other Campbellian archetype stories

[–]samwisesamgee 1 point2 points ago

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upvotes for Campbell.

[–]aesamattki 5 points6 points ago

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I'll leave this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen#Story

[–]fredthegreat 2 points3 points ago

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Gee why don't we just throw in every other fantasy while we're at it because they include similar archetypes. I'm sure nobody will notice that literally none of the plot elements are the same.

[–]this_is_weird 2 points3 points ago

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Congratulations for discovering the world of literature, OP. I hope you a lot of pleasure in your journey.

Consciousness of intertextuality is a major notion to have nowadays, not only for the reader, but for the consumer of any media if you want to fully appreciate art of any epoch. Seek out its instances and discover its shades. It's weird at first, but one day you might understand that this is perfectly normal.

[–]sfwlz 2 points3 points ago

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Samwise Gamgee is no loser.

[–]samwisesamgee 1 point2 points ago

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You're...you're too much <3

[–]NegativeGhostrider 3 points4 points ago

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I don't care if she ripped off basic character ideas. Hell, they could all be from the same universe! Her stories were incredibly well written and entertaining and would buy another series should she choose to make one.

Sure as hell beats the travesty known as the Twilight series.

[–]OriginalStomper 4 points5 points ago

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Campbell's The Hero with a Thousand Faces explains that these tropes have occurred throughout the history of storytelling. They weren't original to Tolkein, either.

There's no such thing as a new story. There are only new ways to tell old stories.

[–]HeyitistillKate 2 points3 points ago

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Ron is NOT the loser best friend.

[–]Bezulba 16 points17 points ago

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it has a beard so it's the same.. sigh..

these comparisons are so so skewed. They take a minor character from the potter books and compare it to one of the main ones in lotr.. he wasn't hideous in my imagination, he just became that in the movies.

but of course, it's cool to claim that she can't write for shit and that you've been reading fantasy since before it was cool.. blablabla

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[–]chipbuddy 13 points14 points ago

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I think Harry Potter's greatest contribution was getting 11 year olds excited about reading.

[–]dfaraci 0 points1 point ago

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Agreed

[–]kihadat 0 points1 point ago

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11 year olds? Most of the people I know who read HP are adults who usually never read. That's as great a contribution. At least kids are still forced to read in school.

[–]Rustash 5 points6 points ago

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So don't fucking read it.

[–]Rustash 0 points1 point ago

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Shit, I actually forgot what he originally said...but I stand by my comment.

[–]Bezulba 0 points1 point ago

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why would you care? I mean you still can read all your unnoticed fantasy authors just like before, you just get an influx of bad rip-offs. But you weren't going to read those anyway. And a lot of fantasy is based off the stereotypes set by Tolkien. The reluctant hero being the most prominent one.

[–]SphinxP 5 points6 points ago

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While their physical characteristics might be similar, most of these act nothing alike.

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[–]Fett2 6 points7 points ago

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Came here to say this. Tolkien practically created the genre, of course it's going to seem like people have copied off of him.

[–]NeonCookies 5 points6 points ago

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Tolkien hardly created the genre. He took material from many other sources as well. Beowulf, for example. His books did do a lot to make the genre popular, though.

[–]Fett2 2 points3 points ago*

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Popularized the genre would have been better wording on my part. You are correct.

[–]RAA -4 points-3 points ago

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But she may be the first to use his ideas to greater success than Tolkien.

[–]SDION 14 points15 points ago

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Won't deny Harry Potter had financial success, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it was greater as far as literature is concerned.

[–]RAA 1 point2 points ago

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Oh certainly no. I meant specifically wide-spread popularity and accessibility+appeal. They are however, hard to compare due to their discriminate lifespans.

[–]AdonisBucklar 3 points4 points ago

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Still waiting for Potter to become required study in high school?

[–]jaskmackey 1 point2 points ago

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The word is "avuncular."

[–]UberMeister 1 point2 points ago

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Fuck you, Harry Potter is awesome!

[–]Indierocka 1 point2 points ago

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Yes it's called an archetype.

[–]farmland 0 points1 point ago

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Hit the nail on the head man

[–]NickInTheBack 1 point2 points ago

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Loser Best Friend? Well excuse me Sam Wise was one of the hardest working guys in the series

[–]maest 1 point2 points ago

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These links are tedious at best. Themes tend to appear over and over in stories, it's nothing new.

[–]funkyman50 1 point2 points ago

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If you dumb things down far enough everything can compare to anything.

[–]Amdinga 1 point2 points ago

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These comparisons are... a stretch. You could draw them to almost any fantasy story. Even the Bible. Personally I think both LOTR and Harry Potter are fantastic stories, and neither is close to 100% original.

[–]lunarblossoms 1 point2 points ago

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Put on your elastic pants, because this post is a stretch!

[–]Pirah 1 point2 points ago

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If this bothers you, don't ever read "The Hero With a Thousand Faces" by Joseph Campbell. You'll start to realize that almost every character in almost every IP is similar to or based on something else. Real creativity isn't as present in coming up with a character, role, or organization as it is in coming up with new worlds, languages and dialects, interesting relationships, battles and conflicts, or interesting plot twists and surprises.

[–]tobarxp 1 point2 points ago

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you can do this with star wars also and have 3 columns instead of 2!!!

and then have MORE upvotes. too lazy to do it myself! go go go!!!

[–]mave1986[S] 0 points1 point ago

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go go go...

[–]Tretyal 1 point2 points ago

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Next you'll compare Frodo's journey with Odysseus's journey and blah blah BLAH BLAH it doesn't fucking matter Harry Potter was a decent read.

[–]samuelsupertramp 1 point2 points ago

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jungian archetypes, all stories use them

[–]Fennels 1 point2 points ago

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I don't think whoever made this actually read Lord of the Rings. :|

[–]ThePerson98 0 points1 point ago

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By comparing the different types of characters in a story, you can make nearly anything look like a knock off of something else. It's no surprise that two fantasy stories have a lot in common.

[–]BrainHaver 0 points1 point ago

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They look the same but wtf how is that copying?

[–]onepoint21jiggawatts[!] 0 points1 point ago

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that was such a large jump from thumbnail to image, i had to go back to make sure i hit the right link.

[–]rtilde 0 points1 point ago

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The mark of someone who only watched the movies, bearded funny uncle-like guy is Gimli and not Tom Bombadil.

[–]Omega52 0 points1 point ago

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Who's the snake guy form LotR?

[–]widgetas 0 points1 point ago

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Gríma Wormtongue.

See? Snape is slimey sort of chap and Gríma is a bit icky too. In the end Snape turns out to be driven by his undying love for Lily Potter and is the "bravest man" Harry ever knew, while Gríma wanted to get into Éowyn's pants as well as gain a shed load of power by screwing over Rohan with Saruman.

So nothing alike at all except for the fact that neither washed their hair.

[–]Omega52 0 points1 point ago

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Who's the snake guy form LotR?

[–]redheaded_robot 0 points1 point ago

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I thought it said "mise mizard". Make your w more clear!

[–]Inessia 0 points1 point ago

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ehh this is bullshit. Many of these arent even correct, most are just to far fetched..

[–]Luner 0 points1 point ago

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One could also compare The Lord of the Rings and Disney's The Black Cauldron.

[–]lillyrose2489 0 points1 point ago

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Actually, Frodo is like 30 in the books, so.. that one isn't legit. The rest are fair, though.

[–]obereasy 0 points1 point ago

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And let the passionate internet battle3 about the validity of fictional worlds begin!

[–]VohnkarTheGreat 0 points1 point ago

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Also, the one Ring is kind've like Sauron's horcrux.

[–]eskachig 0 points1 point ago

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Man if you really think the Harry Potter books are rip-offs of Tolkien's work you haven't read either very well. Though of course, elements of LOTR will be found in nearly every fantasy work because it was such a fore-funner.

[–]etherteeth 0 points1 point ago

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This is a textbook example of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy

[–]swantamer 0 points1 point ago

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The Potter books were more a rip off of The Books of Magic by Neil Gaiman

[–]samwisesamgee 0 points1 point ago

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Came in here to defend Campbellian theory.

Left entirely too flattered.

[–]Smokeahontas 0 points1 point ago

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Read Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell.

[–]luckyjack 0 points1 point ago

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I take exception to op classifying Samwise as "Loser BFF."

[–]hammerswinreddit 0 points1 point ago

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there's almost no such thing as truly original works in entertainment at this point, so stop this

[–]BradC 0 points1 point ago

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Also, Butterbeer and Butterbur.

[–]widgetas 0 points1 point ago

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"A fat innkeeper who only remembers his own name because people shout it at him all day?" - One of my all time favourite put downs. Unfortunately I only know one landlord but have no recourse to say it to him, even though he's fat.

[–]BrichNorm -1 points0 points ago

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Shakes head

[–]elartax -2 points-1 points ago

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is possible to trace these similarities back to Kurosawa

[–]steveotheguide 2 points3 points ago

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Also Beowulf. I think it's the whole universal themes thing that permeates every single genre ever.

[–]TopScruffy -1 points0 points ago

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Wow, she managed to turn the greatest series of all time into the most overrated series of all time (I've never read Twilight). Just my opinion. Her story bored the hell outta me.

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