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Fire/Fire in Zero Gravity (upload.wikimedia.org)
submitted 3 years ago by [deleted]
[–]VisVirtusque 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago
why's it only blue?
[–]eleitl 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago
Yellow is blackbody from soot, this is low-temperature combustion of pyrolytic gases with no hot particulates emitting. It could also be CO burning.
[–]el_pinata 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago*
The oxygen heavy environment maybe?
Edit: I'm a moron, the amount of oxygen wouldn't matter. Pure hydrocarbons burn that color, but that still doesn't answer it.
[–]eleitl 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame
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Flame color depends on several factors, the most important typically being blackbody radiation and spectral band emission, with both spectral line emission and spectral line absorption playing smaller roles. In the most common type of flame, hydrocarbon flames, the most important factor determining color is oxygen supply and the extent of fuel-oxygen "pre-mixture", which determines the rate of combustion and thus the temperature and reaction paths, thereby producing different color hues. In a laboratory under normal gravity conditions and with a closed oxygen valve, a Bunsen burner burns with yellow flame (also called a safety flame) at around 1,000 °C. This is due to incandescence of very fine soot particles that are produced in the flame. With increasing oxygen supply, less blackbody-radiating soot is produced due to a more complete combustion and the reaction creates enough energy to excite and ionize gas molecules in the flame, leading to a blue appearance. The spectrum of a premixed (complete combustion) butane flame on the right shows that the blue color arises specifically due to emission of excited molecular radicals in the flame, which emit most of their light well below ~565 nanometers in the blue and green regions of the visible spectrum.
Flame temperatures of common items include a blow torch at 1,300 °C, a candle at 1,400 °C [1], or a much hotter oxyacetylene combustion at 3,000 °C. Cyanogen produces an even hotter flame with a temperature of over 4525 °C (8180 °F) when it burns in oxygen.[5]
Generally speaking, the coolest part of a diffusion (incomplete combustion) flame will be red, transitioning to orange, yellow, and white the temperature increases as evidenced by changes in the blackbody radiation spectrum. For a given flame's region, the closer to white on this scale, the hotter that section of the flame is. The transitions are often apparent in TV pictures of fires, in which the color emitted closest to the fuel is white, with an orange section above it, and reddish flames the highest of all. Beyond the red the temperature is too low to sustain combustion, and black soot escapes. A blue-colored flame only emerges when the amount of soot decreases and the blue emissions from excited molecular radicals become dominant, though the blue can often be seen near the base of candles where airborne soot is less concentrated.
[edit] Flames in microgravity In zero gravity, convection does not carry the hot combustion products away from the fuel source, resulting in a spherical flame front.
In the year 2000 the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) of the United States discovered that gravity also plays an indirect role in flame formation and composition.[6] The common distribution of a flame under normal gravity conditions depends on convection, as soot tends to rise to the top of a flame (such as in a candle in normal gravity conditions), making it yellow. In microgravity or zero gravity environment, such as on a circular orbit , convection no longer occurs and the flame becomes spherical, with a tendency to become bluer and more efficient. There are several possible explanations for this difference, of which the most likely is the hypothesis that the temperature is sufficiently evenly distributed that soot is not formed and complete combustion occurs.[7] Experiments by NASA reveal that diffusion flames in microgravity allow more soot to be completely oxidized after they are produced than do diffusion flames on Earth, because of a series of mechanisms that behave differently in microgravity when compared to normal gravity conditions.[8][9] These discoveries have potential applications in applied science and industry, especially concerning fuel efficiency. A video of a microgravity flame in the NASA Glenn 5 s drop facility is at [2].
[–]el_pinata 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago
You take a page out of my book, one I failed to take myself. Danke.
[–]celticninja -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago
i think it must be to do with the fact the flame is burning closer to the candle and therefore the fuel. In normal gravity the orange part of the flame is away from the candle and the fuel being burnt is the oxygen. I think, but am happy to be proved incorrect.
[–]eleitl 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago
No, the real reason is blackbody radiation from soot.
[–]kerodean 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago
Looks like a jellyfish.
[–]directrix1 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago*
I'm assuming that this is because with gravity the less dense higher energy air rises because of buoyancy which requires gravity right? Without gravity the more dense cooler air is not being pulled "down" stronger than the less dense hot air and so there is no buoyancy effect and the system just radiates out spherically. Is that right?
[–]davvblack 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago
With no gravity, no convection. With no convection, very very poor mixing of fuel and oxygen (spent fuel has no "reason" to get out of the way).
Thus the candle burns much cooler.
[–]bnporter 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago
Holy shit. Next time I'm doing some intergalactic battling, I'm bringing the flamethrower.
[–]jim258kelly 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago
KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!
...wait.
[–]esotericguy -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago
and just when we all thought that fire couldn't be more badass.
[–]yit -16 points-15 points-14 points 3 years ago
Not in zero gravity, it's in a vacuum.
[–]errantKnave 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago
What, pray tell, is combustible about the total absence of matter?
[–]davvblack 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago
......no.
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