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[–]tehlemmings 317 points318 points ago

I love how the hostility comes off perfectly even in helpful picture form

[–]bruisedmaple 57 points58 points ago

"...try to tackle the issues in your next match"

[–]Mr_Industrial 140 points141 points ago

"...grow up" seriously, why do people like a game where everyone insults you?

[–]goodnewsjimdotcom 46 points47 points ago

It is never their fault. The guy who wants to micromanage the whole match wouldn't do that unless he is the best strategist who ever lived. When you lose because you're doing what he says, it is because you didn't do it good enough.

[–]tehlemmings 9 points10 points ago

The game is fun; it's (parts of) the community that can suck.
I think most of the games I play are like that these days. I love tribes, but I would never recommend anyone ever go to that subreddit for example.

[–]Vark675 6 points7 points ago

There's something about MOBAs in particular though, that just breed such a vitriolic hatred of your fellow man.

You can take a team of 5 perfectly friendly cooperative people, throw them in a game of HoN/LoL/Dota 2, and by the end of that match you will have heard so much swearing and aneurysm inducing hatred pouring from their once happy souls that you'll swear it was different people.

[–]MarPan88 6 points7 points ago

The thing is, those 5 friendly people are strangers to each other. Try to form a volleyball team with 5 strangers that you find on the street. Just imagine it for a minute. Look at other pedestrians, and see what would you think if you had to play a match with them.

People are quick to blame others, just to defend their ego. In this case, there is one more factor. The general opinion is that LoL/Dota communities are bad. So, when you are staring at the loading screen, your expectations are usually low: "I hope I won't get any feeders/noobs/awful players". Because of those expectations, we are quick to judge, when someone screws up: "Ha, I knew it" - again, it gives a little ego boost for being right.

[–]Maleckai 2 points3 points ago

You make a fair point. It's a pity most the player base is incapable of viewing the matter objectively though. And the unfortunate reality is that most of them are just there to roll a hard carry, rack up the kills, stroke their ego and attribute the entire victory to themselves. Alas, the lowly support players like myself rarely get credit.

[–]VerboseAnalyst 4 points5 points ago

I find it's best to make sure to be friendly yourself. It means at least 1 out of 5 people is approaching the match with a good attitude. From there it's just a matter of probability and having a thick skin. If one person is going "Hey lay off XXXX the games not over yet." the chances of other players responding positively rises.

Sometimes all a player needs is one other friendly voice to ignore the rage.

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[–]Maleckai 4 points5 points ago

Man, I love the SHAZBOT spam. That being said, I never played it long enough for it to get tiring I suppose.

[–]YosefLevi 3 points4 points ago

This is a classic insult delivered to males from other males and females, and not unique to any game. It's culturally popular to attack males for being a boy as opposed to a man in all manners, whether it's behavior, intellect, educational attainment, muscle mass, body and facial hair, vocal pitch -- whatever.

This attack occurs everywhere, whether among youth or adults, in schools, intimate relationships, or over an internet forum. Men are attacked for sexual inexperience and genital size; try attacking a female youth for having underdeveloped boobs or for being sexually naive and you'll see that the attacks cannot be precisely reciprocated. Fail to recognize this and people will think you are tactless and cruel. On the other hand, if you learn the social rules, you'll find that you can get away with all sorts of insults to the male body and mind with little if any repercussion.

[–]randName 0 points1 point ago

Been playing for 200 hours, albeit mostly with 1-3 friends - but I'd say people spamming bs in chat is one guy for every other game or so, and you can always mute them.

Or if you want, and they spam enough to warrant it, report them to send them to low priority. Mind that I don't see the opponents chat, so we have 1-3 people that might flame us, but it rarely happens - and for all I know it could be a torrent of insults on the other side.

[–]tehlemmings 37 points38 points ago

There's repeated insults a general vibe of "if you're not good you're not allowed to play with us" throughout the entire thing.

[–]KronIC_ 4 points5 points ago

But DotA 2 is moar hardcore than LoL bro. Of course it is the better game, only nubz play LoL cuz they can't handle DotA /endsarcasm.

[–]TonberryKing26 2 points3 points ago

LoL...seriously...LoL.../facepalm!

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[–]DubiousKing 0 points1 point ago

It's a superiority complex. They have to prove they're somehow better than the noobs who only play against bots before people figure out games are made to have fun with.

[–]Vark675 0 points1 point ago

I like the characters, but I loathe other players. I only play bot games or ARAMS (all random, all mid) in LoL anymore.

I think I'd have a stroke if I tried playing "real" games in it again.

[–]MalevolentVergil 0 points1 point ago

Or actually, they don't care about them at all.

[–]randName 0 points1 point ago

People get the people they deserve based on MMR, at least enough people understand this but still some fail to grasp it which is sad.

& if someone isn't good enough to play with someone else according to the matchmaking system you need to be in a party to pull that off so in a sense its true.

[–]Xet 20 points21 points ago

*Sigh

Go look at the Dota 2 thread for this submission and you will see that the community that actually plays Dota 2 does not like the way this thing is presented:

http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/11w9z9/10_beginner_questions_for_dota_2/

[–]ARmoif 1 point2 points ago

Incidentally this is now the top submission, surprise

http://i.imgur.com/UKQ1e.jpg

[–]Harnellas 5 points6 points ago

Glad I'm not the only one feeling that, the condescension is so irritating I want to start Dota 2 up and troll a few games, hoping the creator of this "helpful" chart ends up on my team.

[–]ARmoif 2 points3 points ago

What about this chart

http://i.imgur.com/UKQ1e.jpg

[–]splice42 -1 points0 points ago

Exactly. Essentially, this reads: "WE'RE NOT PLAYING THIS GAME TO HAVE FUN, GO AWAY IF YOU WANT TO HAVE FUN".

[–]scottwuzhear 121 points122 points ago

"10 questions that experienced Dota 2 players will chuckle at, but beginners won't understand"

[–]InterwebCeleb 35 points36 points ago

Yeah, I seriously did not understand any of that lingo and it might as well have been in Japanese.

[–]DerpZombie 13 points14 points ago

じゃ、日本語 で いった ほう が いいですか?

edit:Thanks for the particle correction zanzou.

[–]InterwebCeleb 11 points12 points ago

Well that cleared it up, thanks!

[–]zanzou 6 points7 points ago

じゃ、日本語 で いった ほう が いいですか?

Not gonna help the dude understand any better if you make grammar mistakes.

Edit: Also, the actual translation for fun...

初心者がわからない、経験を積んだDOTA2のプレイヤーをクスクス笑わせる10個の質問
しょしんしゃ わからない、 けいけん つんだ DOTA2 プレイヤー くすくすわらわせる じゅうこ しつもん

[–]GNG 0 points1 point ago

ふりがな
振り仮名 is supposed to be on top. =/

[–]zanzou 2 points3 points ago

haha, I did it as an afterthought. Fixed. I'm not gonna try to line it up, though. :)

Edit: This made me curious.. so I checked a few of my textbooks. When it's not set in Ruby Text, it seems that (in textbooks) it's actually written below the original sentence. But I think this is to promote students trying to read the line with kanji in it first. In one of my books (Kodansha's Effective Japanese Usage Dictionary), the furigana is actually placed below the original words in Ruby Text.

Seeing as how the kanji-less version is quite annoying to read, I'm making a judgement call and switching it back! What a thrill ride this has been. (笑)

[–]ChottoCharaii 0 points1 point ago

英語より、 日本語を話す事がいいですよ

[–]LtThunderpants 0 points1 point ago

What's with the spacing? Also, wrong particle choice at the onset.

[–]damondono 1 point2 points ago

yep they have their subreddit for this shit

[–]sleepisajokeanyway 165 points166 points ago

This makes me think that players of Dota are douches, this may not be true, but this picture seems to scream it.

[–]rockoman100 27 points28 points ago

This picture is the least douchebaggy representation of the Dota community I've ever seen. Try playing the real game. I made the mistake of playing a public match as my first game and got reported by everybody on both teams for being bad at the game.

[–]Geno098 17 points18 points ago

It's a game that you can't just jump into. You gotta slowly learn the basics with bots, then work your way up in real games. Yeah, you'll probably lose, but you'll get better with each match.

[–]GordonMcFreeman 1 point2 points ago

If I play LoL would I have less of a learning curve when getting into DOTA?

[–]_Indeed 7 points8 points ago

Yes, by an EXTREMELY large margin. In DotA, the jungles are waaaaay more intricate, the warding spots take a lot longer to fully comprehend and denying friendly creeps while last hitting enemy creeps takes a long time to get good at. And these are just a few of the major differences, not to mention all of the small differences.

[–]n3kr0n 1 point2 points ago

Its somewhat better i guess. But there are still like 20 spells that get you killed with you having no idea why.

[–]xzizz 6 points7 points ago

yes.

[–]Vulturas 6 points7 points ago

Actually no... it's a bit more confusing >.>

Before reading, most of what I'm saying about dota2 applies to dota1.

Firstly, there are some main differences, in lol you have runes for some extra earlygame stats, in dota2, you got nothing than the 603 or so gold in a 5 man team, and you've got to figure out how you use that for maximum effectiveness in the start of the laning phase. There are also NO skill trees or the such.

Secondly, if you want to get an item in lol you need to go back, and waaaalk all across the map back your lane(unless you've got the teleport ability, or how was it called). In dota2 you can have the courier get it for you, if it was bought and used by someone (click on donkey icon in inventory). But if you don't have a courier, you have to either get a teleport scroll (135 gold) from a sideshop and teleport back to base, and then run to tower after healing, or go back to base, buy scroll from there and return to lane using scroll.

I barely scratched the surface here... lets go on!

Now, lets dip in the lane, in lol you can either lasthit, or try to harass, or move out of lane at around lvl 6 or earlier, when the hero is most effective to gank, and that's about it, push towers.

In dota2 there are also some mechanics that newer players don't grasp from the first games. Firstly, you can DENY creeps. Denying means attacking your own creeps when they're under 50% health, and it's best to lasthit them. Successful denies yield less exp for the enemies and NO gold. I should try and explain some of the next stuff before I dip into pulling.

The jungle is similar for both sides of the map, but the spots are in different places if it were for a mirror image (lol is just a mirror image, excepting dragon/nashor). And the camps will spawn a random set of creeps at every :00 mark starting from minute 1, if there are no monsters in the camp. That means you can attack the camp (:52~) and run away from the camp, and at :00 new minute, you have 2 sets of creeps, that's called stacking. You can repeat that how many times you want. Also, do note that jungle is not as effective as in lol, it's an option, but not that awesome as the nice amount of gold that you get in lane. After stacking camps you can pull some of the camps to intercept YOUR creeps that come in the lane. Only the safe lanes can do this...goddamnit now I have to explain safe lanes too, fuck me. Keep safe lanes in mind; that will cause your creeps to be denied if the camp is stacked, thus enemies will get less exp, and the point of conflict of where the creeps duke it out will be nearer to your tower, which is a good thing; if it's not in its attack range.

Now, safe lanes. Each team has a mid lane, a suicide lane, and a safe lane, and the complementary jungle. Mid is where the character that gets the most advantage at lvl 6 or so sits, thus the ganker usually. The safe lane usually has the first point of conflict near YOUR tower, while the suicide lane has the first point of conflict near THEIR tower, thus safelane is usually the carry that needs the farm to, well, carry. Safelanes can also be helped via the pulling technique; note that it's the support's job. Suicide lanes is oftentimes a very potent combo that can survive any ganks or attempts from the enemy lane to kill them, or a solo laner with an escape mech, survivability or something that can give him farm at a distance.

To note; something I forgot, both sidelanes have a sideshop, which has a selection of items that can be useful, and it's nearer the tower of the enemy safelane tower than yours.

And another thing, in lol you only have one shop, in dota2 you have the main shop, the sideshops, and the secret shop(which is somewhere in between the suicide lane and the mid lane on both sides of the map). Sideshop has some items that appear in the main shop, while offering some other items that can be gotten from the secret shop. The secret shop has NO items from the main shop, but offers expensive items that can be made in very powerful gear...

The gear is the same as in lol, 6 item slots, use them how you like. Unless your name is Syllabear, then you have 12, your bear has 6 slots too.

And the main shop is the only place which sells recipes; recipes are items needed to make even more gear; each recipe is different for every item which requires a recipe.

I think I scratched enough off the surface here, time for the stats.

Lol has different stats for everything, one magic armor, one armor, one attack speed, one damage, one ability power, mana, health, etc. Dota2 is a bit more simpler, Strength, Intelligence, Agility, movement speed, armor, magic armor. These are the basic stats, if it were for me to dig into the damn lifesteal/crit things I'd be sitting here all freaking day. So, each hero has a main stat, if you get 1 point in your mainstat, you also get 1 damage; so if you're a Str hero and get 1 str, you get 1 dmg and the bonus from str, but if you get agility you only get the bonus from agility. Str gives you health and health regen, agility gives you attack speed and armor every so often, intelligence gives you mana and mana regen. That's for scratching the surface here.

Now, abilities, in lol, abilities scale off your ability power, while in dota2 they're fixed amounts, thus lol has better lategame scaling for mage type characters. There are a handful of abilities that can scale in dota2 based off some stats, but they're just a handful. Same goes to attack damage scaling on skills.

I only scratched the surface, but I suppose you get the point.

In conclusion; lol is a dumbed-down version of dota, it might have its differences, but it's still a bit too simple for some. And for incoming messages, yes, I didn't mention about there being no dragon in dota, that runes spawn in the space separating the two sides thus they don't have creeps with special auras that transfer to you after they die, that there are ancient camps that give a lot of gold and are harder to kill than normal camps, but spare me, this was already boring to write.

Lol might help ya learning curve, but it will teach you VERY bad habits for dota.

[–]Sekacnap 2 points3 points ago

You'll have less of a learning curve but as Vulturas said in his comment there are an insane amount of differences that you may not get for a while.

I like to explain it this way: LoL is about learning how to play your character effectively. DotA is about learning how to play the game as a whole.

[–]mysticrudnin 1 point2 points ago

It doesn't help that me with ten games being completely new can get matched up with people with a thousand games. Or, people with ten games who have been playing since 2005.

[–]kithkatul 45 points46 points ago

Its true. MOBAs bring out the worst in people.

[–]AbortusLuciferum 11 points12 points ago

Like saying "MOBA" and expecting us to understand.

[–]The_Underminer 15 points16 points ago

Multiplayer Online Battle Arena.

Others prefer the term A-RTS (Action Real-Time Strategy)

The rest just call it "the DOTA genre"

[–]Cecek 18 points19 points ago

Honestly, the best name I've seen yet is ASSFAGGOTS: Aeon of Strife Styled Fortress Assault Game Going On Two Sides.

Aeon of Strife is the first "game" of the genre, it was a custom map for the original Starcraft.

[–]Vimsey 0 points1 point ago

Donkey meatballs? We arent all from 'Murica

[–]cottoncandysex 5 points6 points ago

multiplayer online battle arena sounds so generic that it could be describing almost any multiplayer game

[–]mysticrudnin 3 points4 points ago

So does RPG.

[–]Vervy 19 points20 points ago

Online games bring out the worst in people.

FTFY bro.

[–]Auroros 28 points29 points ago

I'd say MOBAs more than any other online game. Possibly not MMORPGs like raiding in WoW, but otherwise MOBA really depends on everyone to do their part. If one player messes up that's 20% of your team, compared to shooters where one player can win the game alone.

[–]MrSnoobs 0 points1 point ago

I've always wondered what type of on-line game brings out the best in people?

[–]Ortekk 3 points4 points ago

Journey.

[–]DrQuint 5 points6 points ago

So basically, remove any and all possible ways of someone even communicating and give nothing but aiding tools for cooperative intent and people suddenly become good?

[–]CleverRedditHandle 0 points1 point ago

I was just gifted a copy of DOTA2. I've never played before. I'm afraid to try it now.

[–]Oomeegoolies 6 points7 points ago

I'm new too, just playing bots and having fun :D

[–]Chrys7 2 points3 points ago

Play with your friends or start co-op with bots and tell people you're new and they'll 9/10 times help you out (in bot games).

The ones that are douches you can just ignore through the scoreboard, it's easy, fast and they won't bother you anymore.

[–]splitice 2 points3 points ago

Add my steam account, splitice. I'm down to play a few games with you

[–]TheDoc85 0 points1 point ago

Some, if not most are. But there are a choice few who can make the game genuinely fun, even if your team is losing.

[–]krispy1000 0 points1 point ago

http://i.imgur.com/UKQ1e.jpg

Those are douche players within the community. The picture OP posted is someone trying to improve the community by making them question their playstyle and attitude, if you follow what the picture says, then in the end you will have a fun and rage free match.

[–]Chasa619 -1 points0 points ago

Dota/LOL/Hon are competitive games. these are not game you play just to have a jolly time. the entire purpose is that your team dominates the other team. your personal stats don't matter, all the matters is a W

[–]nekoyasha 137 points138 points ago

"Dota 2 is not a game to have fun with as a beginner." Lol, what? If I have to be good at a game to have fun, then something is wrong with the game.

[–]Decency 17 points18 points ago

Dota2 is lots of fun when no one knows what they're doing. The problem is that in your first matchmaking games, you're probably going to be the only one who doesn't know what you're doing.

You don't have to be good at the game, but you do have to understand basic concepts. Spending an hour or two reading a nice newbie guide and watching a higher level game will pay off drastically in the long run.

[–]ATownStomp 14 points15 points ago

And that's the problem.

Many people reach a point in their lives where spending a few hours just to reach an acceptable level of knowledge to participate in the game has already defeated the purpose of trying to play the game.

I played LoL for a long time, and enjoyed it. However, once I was high rank I realized that the only way I could try a new character and succeed in a match (I never played with a premade, which compounded frustration) was to actually research the character, maximize my builds, memorize item buy orders, and practice with them in bot matches.

Who in the hell has time for that shit? It isn't that the game is particularly difficult or requires more skill. It's that the games take so long that the only people who play end up being extreme "no-lifes". If you don't want to spend all of your free time learning to be as good as they are then you aren't allowed to play their stupid game and risk wasting thirty minutes to an hour of their time.

[–]flUddOS 14 points15 points ago

No-lifer checking in here. Part of the fun for me IS doing all the research, following the proscene, etc. I even made a spreadsheet.

...

I should start playing EVE, shouldn't I?

Back on topic though, there is nothing stopping you from trying new thing in normals, dominion, or even 3s. As long as you keep your tryhard pants in SoloQ, your normal elo should remain low enough for you to just screw around.

[–]ATownStomp 2 points3 points ago

I enjoyed it too before I realized that I simply couldn't justify the time investment to compete with people who either had less responsibility or aspiration to succeed in life outside of MOBA's.

It's the same reason I can't play MMO's anymore. I still play video games and waste my time on Reddit but these things are sporadic. It's not an hour long commitment to a game which could potentially turn terrible. After high school, all of the time I spent on games like this (which require a very large amount of time and effort to compete with because of the length of games and culture in the community) turned quickly into wasted opportunity and potential.

The issue is with myself. I've fallen into the despised "casual" category of players I used to despise so much. But, really, as people get older their ability to partition an hour of their day for some meaningless yet intensely competitive multiplayer action quickly diminishes. You really can't excel at more than a couple things in life at the same time, and MOBA's require that you excel in order to enjoy them.

It just becomes a matter of priorities. Yet, I don't think that this would be as big of an issue if the player base wasn't so notoriously insulting, condescending, and "unsportsmanlike" to other players who haven't chosen the game as that one thing that you can be really good at at any given time.

[–]ztfreeman 2 points3 points ago

I've always been under the persuasion that if only some special builds function competitively, then your game balance is totally broken. If someone is coming into your game, and I have to go out and find specific builds that actually work as opposed to creating my own play-style that can stand with everyone else's, then they shouldn't have wasted the time with everything else that doesn't and inadvertently created a noob minefield.

Edit: Or said more simply, if only one or a few ways work out of a bunch of choices, then why do I even have choices?

[–]DandyPirate 1 point2 points ago

Not sure about lol. But with dota, the builds are viable for the current meta game. When the meta game changes, other builds become more viable as teams counter the popular strategies. It's not entirely that some builds are good and others are bad.

[–]YosefLevi 2 points3 points ago

I think you're misrepresenting the problem as being with people with no life. The problem is in bad matchmaking.

It doesn't matter whether you're playing badminton, ping pong, or chess; the difficulty of competitive games depends entirely on your competition, and the fairness of games depends on quality matchmaking. Chess matchmaking has been very refined, so my tournament experience has been very fun because matchmaking has been so accurate.

You can have a casual badminton, ping pong, or chess game, but are you going to have fun as a casual player when you're playing seasoned players? That's the kind of matchmaking I'm facing right now with Starcraft 2 and Dota. Rating manipulation would be harshly penalized in the chess world, but people get away with it in gaming.

It is unwarranted rudeness to label people as having no life because you feel frustrated at being matched against seasoned badminton players. The difficulty of a competitive game is dependent on the competition; people might say that chess or badminton is a hard game, but in fact, it can be played in a carefree manner if that's the level you want to play at.

You would do no better in a piano duet competition where people get assigned partners and competitors through some matchmaking system, and your argument would ring just as hollow and rude: "Those duet piano players have no life! But I actually want to have a life."

[–]lurkersss 2 points3 points ago

I read this and your "no-lifers lol" comment below and I can't agree with this view of things. This may be a bit of a surprise to you but not every single person on this planet is the same. People learn things differently, at different rates, and have fun with things you may not.

I'll use my 31 year old married brother as an example. He is brand-new to pc gaming and has never played a dota-like game in his life. I spent about an hour teaching him the game and played a few bot games with him over the course of a week. We played our first real game a couple weekends ago and he had a blast. To the point he actually called me the next day to talk about it.

He is nowhere near a hardcore player and we only play a couple matches a week(he even played a few without me). The point is that you don't need to be a "no-lifer" to enjoy the game. He may spend some of the little free time he gets playing/learning dota and having fun while doing it, while you may spend it posting thousands of comments on Reddit. The point is not everyone is the same, they can enjoy different things, and I really don't see a problem with that.

[–]Marboz 2 points3 points ago

This is not really true, people will give you abuse, report you for being bad, and tell you how you should kill yourself irl, no matter how much time you'll spend preparing for your first games. I've seen all of that, complete with death threats. The best way to play and have fun is to play exclusively with friends, in my opinion.

[–]InterwebCeleb 3 points4 points ago

The issue is spending a couple hours before you even play the game, and then being screamed at by everyone if you make one mistake or don't understand one term. It boggles my mind how anyone can find that kind of experience fun, welcoming, or even enjoyable.

[–]Anon159023 26 points27 points ago

The funny part is that whole "Dota is a hard game, you can enjoy it if you are new" didn't start to appear till LoL.

It is only a symptom of people trying to be all high and mighty and have a gigantic ego about how "my game is better than yours"

[–]grimey6 12 points13 points ago

There are many game like that. Look at SC2. if you jump in a online game without know what to do it will not be fun

[–]quanchu 4 points5 points ago

i personally found sc2 a lot more enjoyable when i had no idea what was going on

[–]Harnellas 8 points9 points ago

SC2 actually has logical matchmaking though, whereas (as far as I can tell anyways) Dota2 does not as of yet. Sucking in a bronze rank 2v2 game will never generate the kind of aggro you'll be sure to find by sucking in a Dota game.

[–]Ziday 16 points17 points ago

Dota2 has a logical matchmaking system, it's just not visible.

[–]grimey6 2 points3 points ago

Thanks true. I couldnt tell you much about Dota 2 matchingmaking. I think something that helps SC2 is that their is a single player campaign also. Many people first getting into the game will prob go to that first which helps with skills though out the game.

[–]Dew25 0 points1 point ago

This isn't true at all. I played dota in FT, years before LoL came out.

It was common knowledge that if you were new at the game, you were gonna have a bad time.

[–]SlowDownGandhi -1 points0 points ago

uh.... of course it started when LoL came out since it's kind of hard to compare something with something that doesn't exist.

[–]McBackstabber 19 points20 points ago

It's poorly written. I have tons of fun learning Dota.

Reading it again. What the guy who made this guide wants to say is that the matchmating system is not for screwing around. In matchmaking games you are expected to play seriously.

So if you are new, don't learn the game by throwing yourself into matchmaking. You just screw up the game for yourself and for the people you play with. Play against bots if you want to screw around or are completely new.

[–]gotee 6 points7 points ago

I agree. It's near equivalent to dropping someone who has never played chess before into a tournament except instead of only disappointing yourself and possibly one other person, you have 9 other possible people to affect. Nobody wants an easy win because you don't get better from that.

I'm not saying that Dota is equivalent to chess in difficulty to master at all, but it's definitely not a walk in the park, either. Learning can absolutely be the byproduct of frustration, especially in Dota, I find, but it's inconsiderate to subject 9 other folks to that if you aren't even bothered to learn basics (which is what McBackstabber is referring to, I think, about players jumping straight into matchmaking).

Though, I don't think it's so outrageous to expect a little bit of a learning curve, even if you take what the image says literally.

[–]Marboz 3 points4 points ago

Difference is, you won't get told you should kill yourself irl because you were bad at chess, but you will in moba games, even if you spend days / weeks / months preparing in bot games (I actually think bot games can often do more harm than good, because they can teach people bad habits in situations that will never happen against an actual human player).

[–]Kardlonoc 4 points5 points ago

Its beyond me why people are seriously invested IN FUCKING PUB MATCHMAKING? WHY DO THAT? YOU ARE ONLY GOING TO GET SCREWED OVER!? WHY DO RANKINGS WITH RANDOM PEOPLE THEN GET MAD? HOW DID YOU THINK IT WAS GOING TO TURN OUT?

I hate these games more than ever

[–]nekoyasha 0 points1 point ago

Ah, Alright. That makes more sense :)

[–]BoredomIsFun 0 points1 point ago

It's just like any other sportsteam games. Ever played a 30min-1hour game with a new guy who has no experience at all. You're all waiting for him to pass, but he struggles dribbling the freaking ball.

[–]CertusAT 1 point2 points ago

tell that to the dwarf fortress crowd...

[–]Tome_of_Knowledge 0 points1 point ago

after 650 games i have to say this is wrong

[–]ineffectiveprocedure 1 point2 points ago

Sometimes I imagine a world where all the 15-25 year olds put as much grueling work into learning and bettering themselves and the world around them as they do into bullshit games they don't even think are fun. It's nice there.

[–]YosefLevi 0 points1 point ago

You wouldn't have fun if you got matched poorly against seasoned opponents in chess or badminton. The problem is in poor matchmaking; when you are matched against your level of play, then even badminton, supposedly one of the fastest racket sports, can be fun for a beginner.

[–]Negativeskill 0 points1 point ago

You don't have to be good at the game to have fun. I was having fun when I had just started, and I still have fun now. As with most games, I was probably having more fun around the time that I started.

[–]DMercenary 69 points70 points ago

1: Dota 2 is not a game to have fun as a beginner.

So... Excatly why am I playing?

2: Get better play against humans?

MOTHERFUCKER. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK IM DOING?

"GET OUT NOOB."

Well gee thanks guys I guess Im getting better already.

[–]Jynweythek501 9 points10 points ago

Are you new to the game? Play bots.

Trying to get better? Humans.

I'm getting some conflicting signals here.

[–]floatablepie 2 points3 points ago

If you are trying to get better, but are not new, play humans. If you are not new but not trying to get better, bots are fine. Made sense to me.

[–]RabbitSong 0 points1 point ago

I rather receive insults than mockery. "I'll give you a chance, I'm gonna go have a smoke and come back."

[–]randName 0 points1 point ago

It was a joke regarding this attitude btw - the follow up can be seen here

[–]Elzam 8 points9 points ago

You learn bad habits in MOBAs with bots, no matter how decent the bots are. Be a man and jump into the community and play, and if people can't handle that they're being matched with a beginner, fuck 'em, the problem is theirs, not yours.

[–]BoredomIsFun 2 points3 points ago

I'm not sure if you even tried Dota 2 bots, they fucking rape your ass. EVEN VALVE DOESN'T WANT YOU TO PLAY.

[–]kungfukai 27 points28 points ago

The main thing I hate about Dota 2 is since I'm not good at the game people start screaming at me, saying I suck, go back to LoL, etc.

But here's the thing. When I ask them to help me get better, they refuse to and continue to yell at me or just quit all together.

How am I expected to get better at the game if they won't help me to get better? They're just making themselves a part of the problem.

And playing with bots doesn't help either, players and bots behave very differently. Plus I learn nothing from just playing with bots.

And this is why I haven't touched Dota 2 in months, the community is just full of wankers.

[–]modeK 14 points15 points ago

Probably because most people in DotA long ago when I started had to figure it out on their own. Now there's a lot of guides, videos etc you can watch to help you if you really want to learn the game because it takes some time but it's worth it in the end if you want to have a game you can always come back to and play.

This of course doesn't justify their behaviour at all, the community tends to be jerks online. Outside everyone I've met have been very nice people so I think it's just because the online scenario and that it's a competetive team game where if one guy fucks up it gets harder for the team.

Hopefully Valve get their tutorial for Dota2 up soon so it might be easier for the new guys to get into it as it's a blast to play and many people are missing out because they get trashtalked by random people.

[–]Marboz 0 points1 point ago

Here's the thing, you could watch hundreds, thousands of videos and write a dissertation about moba tactics, but ultimately you get to the point where you won't learn anything without actually playing against live human opponents. Most people in the community seem to not understand this simple concept.

[–]vitalogst 7 points8 points ago

reddit has a pretty good community of dota players, including myself, feel free to join our group and discuss tactics/play styles. also check out /r/dota2

[–]AstorSapolsky 4 points5 points ago

My only thing keeping me from going to Dota 2 is how fucking shitty the reddit community as a whole is to League. r/gaming and r/games are plagued with SC2 and Dota 2 players who just spew League of Legends venom. I tried playing League/Dota simultaneously, and any posts I made in the Dota 2 subreddit were just shut down when somebody pointed out I posted in the League one.

I could have taken to it overnight like I did with League, but the vocal majority in other subreddits are so hostile I have no interest turning into one of you guys.

Edit: I don't mean to say /r/dota2 is bad. /r/dota2 isn't remotely hostile to League of Legends unless one of League's devs take a stab at Dota's design. Any aggression there is downvoted to hell, and then reposted to /r/games where it gets to the front page. I am sorry if people misunderstood me, I didn't mention /r/dota2 as one of the bad communities for a reason.

[–]BoredomIsFun 2 points3 points ago

any posts I made in the Dota 2 subreddit were just shut down when somebody pointed out I posted in the League one.

Ouch. I do remember at one state /r/dota2 was pretty crappy and filled with the extreme Dota elitists. However as more people try Dota 2 out and the beta is opening up, the community began more accepting. I guess you always come try again when Dota 2 is fully released and a flood of new players are coming in :).

Edit: Jesus. Defending one of my subreddits, I guess I really did become one of them o.o

[–]Xet 8 points9 points ago

That Astor guy is taking a rather biased point of view.

I spend a lot of time in /r/dota2 and for the most part everyone is very polite and helpful to people who say they come from LoL.

Of course it does get annoying after a while that people keep making new threads asking the same questions without reading the info in the sidebar.

As for the other subreddits, yes there is more outspoken criticism, but that is mostly against Riot. Again, people like Astor say 'Everyone hates on League it's so unfair!', when what people actually do is criticise Riot as a company, because there are very many legitimate problems with how they approach both their game and how they relate to the rest of the e-sports world...

It actually makes me very angry, these types of LoL players who defend Riot to the death, and call out any criticism against the company as being 'LoL haters'. It's the same sort of illogical defensiveness that religious people have towards criticism of their beliefs..

So in short, people like Astor have built up this hyper defensive paranoid complex, such that they can only see hostile stuff, and ignores everything else. Paranoia.

My 2 cents.

[–]DunkTheLunk 3 points4 points ago

When I play Go, my teacher always tells me, "Don't play against bots because they suck and you'll learn bad habits." Something tells me it's much the same with these games.

[–]w00lymarm0t 4 points5 points ago

Hi there, logged in to say the following: it is no better or worse than in league. I've played league for about 2 years (wasn't the best at it, but got very bored with the stale meta) and a friend gave me a dota2 key so I switched. And I blew.

However, I didn't rely on other players to help me out if I sucked (not that the community shouldn't help out new people of course). I went and studied what I did wrong and worked on it. Why should I place the burden of training me on someone else? If someone wants to help that's fine (there are tons of great resources out there that will help you learn, such as purge's videos on youtube). League is not the most friendly when it comes to helping new players out either. I remember maxing flame shield on Annie when I first started and I got flamed at super hard by my team. They didn't tell me what to do, I was just called "noob" and my team surrendered, but I learned eventually. The only difference is that Dota is a much more punishing game to play. So, essentially, you have to decide that you WANT to learn the game.

The bots in Dota2 are PERFECT for getting used to how mechanics work. From here you can acquaint yourself to new heroes and move onto real games. Where you will lose. It happens, but (just like in league) you learn why you lost and you fix it.

That being said: Holy fuck I couldn't stand reading these 10 questions. They're all mostly true, but the author writes it like a total pompous asshole. I don't get self-righteousness in these games because no one plays perfectly (besides our lord and savior dendi).

They're both fun and I hope there is room for both of them to succeed.

TL;DR: If Dota2 is full of wankers, League is too.

[–]Ihmhi 0 points1 point ago

That's the same reason I wasn't able to play the original Dota.

I tried, I really did. Joined more than a few games. Most of the time I'd get as far as picking my hero before the game would just shut down.

I'd get one or two kills, get called a noob, and then kicked.

Does the Dota/LoL/etc. community not understand that being openly hostile to new players is probably not a good idea for the longevity of your community?

[–]Phiasmir 0 points1 point ago

You're totally right. There's plenty of assholes in the game, and the ones shouting are more interested in shouting than in being in any way constructive. Things tend to get better as you do, the game's more likely to match you with experienced players, and it seems like the more experienced players got over themselves. Sorry you had a bad expereince though, I can totally understand why you wouldn't want to come back. Even if it's just one guy in the match giving out to you, that's one more than anyone should have to deal with.

[–]stellarfury 0 points1 point ago

When I ask them to help me get better, they refuse to and continue to yell at me or just quit all together.

This is an indicator that they are not as good as they think they are. They can't help you and give you advice without fucking up their own game, because they can't multitask or have low APM or whatever - so they're blaming you for it.

A good player (I am not this good yet, but I have played with people who are) can keep on their game and help you with your item build at the same time, but it's rare that you'll find someone like that in lower skill games.

Which is where, unfortunately, it becomes incumbent on you to research your builds (www.dotafire.com). That at least will give you the confidence that you know what you're doing, and fuck the haters.

I've had people tell me I'm a noob for building competitive-metagame standard builds under the proper circumstances for them. You just have to learn to ignore them and have faith in your own abilities.

[–]UtterlyDisposable 10 points11 points ago

Everything I have seen with regards to this game has convinced me that I really won't like the community surrounding it.

[–]Edword23 0 points1 point ago

Its interesting to see both sides of the hate. The newbie directed hate from the experienced players, and the experienced player hate directed from the newbies. All I can say is I've avoided it because a learning curve that large terrifies me, and despite my friend's assuring me the games are fun, the time investment to never-ending frustration on both sides of the spectrum will keep me playing other games.

But at the same time, I have nothing but respect for the people in those communities that are willing to take the time to learn and help out new players.

[–]Guy-Manuel 10 points11 points ago

DOTA 2 is not a game to have fun with as a beginner.

Why the fuck would anyone play it then?

[–]Skylighter 5 points6 points ago

Play the bot to practice? The bots are better than humans! They have perfect timing, perfect map sense. They're just cheap. I've never won a bot game with four other random people.

[–]CartmanVT -1 points0 points ago

What difficulty? I crushed a game vs bots, and that was when I really sucked at DotA2. I can't remember what difficulty I played them at, but it was not the easy setting, that I know for sure.

[–]Cecek 0 points1 point ago

They were like this in the beginning, they've got more mortal now. The stuff like chaining their stuns perfectly etc. is kind of gone now. at least for the lower difficulties it is. And the point of playing against bots instead of people is, that if one player on the team has zero idea what he's doing, he will make the game shit for the other 9 playing the game. It's a sad fact and it's the worse part about all MOBAs, but that's how it is...

[–]emcardle 5 points6 points ago

Well I will definitely not play this now.

[–]theRainChicken 22 points23 points ago

Basically it says the game isn't fun.

Ok, cool, I have a back log of actually fun games that I'll go play instead.

[–]Negativeskill 1 point2 points ago

But the game is fun. Unfortunately a lot of people tend to stereotype this game into a non-fun and beginners aren't welcome. This only arised when LoL came out, the elitests if you will started to state their game was harder, so it was better. When I first started playing DotA, nobody ever told me it was hard or that I should stay away from it, and here I am, 1200 games of HoN and 1200 games of DotA 2 later and it's become my favourite multiplayer game of all time.

[–]tmcdaid 18 points19 points ago

This just makes me want to never play Dota 2

[–]VashT_S 5 points6 points ago

Or.. Ignore all this garbage and have 10x more fun.

[–]Glowmus 4 points5 points ago

As a true beginner here - as in I've NEVER played the game, what the hell is a carry? What is chasing? Why are wards important? How do I do any of these things?

You want to be helpful, don't just post a bulletpoint list and expect to be blindly followed. Explain WHY your points are important, in clear, concise language, and maybe you'll get somewhere.

[–]carlosos 1 point2 points ago

I played the first DOTA for a few months and a little DOTA 2 and I not even know what half of it means. I just join a game, play a random character and try to have fun. I might not be a good player but the other team often also has players that are not good. Playing against bots was no fun because even the easy bots kill you faster than human players.

[–]pikagrue 1 point2 points ago

If you actually wanted to know

Carry: Main DPS hero of the team, the dude who will be the one actually dishing damage late game after farming up a bunch

Chasing: Chasing a low hp enemy hero across the lands, generally a bad idea because you'll run into the enemy team

Wards: Give vision of certain parts of the map

[–]throwawayneu 4 points5 points ago

Based on this chart alone, why would anyone want to play this?

[–]Ajt131 7 points8 points ago

Can't tell you how many times a TP scroll has saved my life/ helped me get a kill. I always try to carry one or two on me at all times!

[–]DomMk 6 points7 points ago

This is an aweful guide and no one should follow this. This is coming from a person who has played dota for a good 5years now

edit:

Awful in the sense that it has completely the wrong vibe to it, just have fun and learn the game as you play. Don't get wrapped up about things that not even high skill bracket players can even follow properly

[–]Mantonization 3 points4 points ago

Not a game to play to have fun

Wow, really?

[–]KrisK91 3 points4 points ago

DOTA 2 is not a game to have fun as a beginner...

40 hours more with bots and i'm ready for online! There should be a matchmaking option for all players - Put me in a team with teammmates that want to have fun.

[–]Anus_master 3 points4 points ago

Yeah, because who the hell plays video games to have fun.

[–]atrasicarius 7 points8 points ago

DOTA 2 is not a fun game for a beginner.

Cool, thanks for letting me know not to play.

[–]Rookwood 8 points9 points ago

This is stupid. Number 1 might as well read "don't play noob." Read this instead.

I also recommend just playing Single Draft as a noob until you learn a good number of heroes. All pick and Random Draft will just confuse you with the number of options.

Bots are good for learning how to farm/deny and how to actually play the more advanced heroes like Broodmother, Meepo, or Invoker but that's about it.

Steer clear from the heroes that require micro-management (the one's with pets) until you learn about control groups and for the love of god don't pick Invoker or Meepo.

The vast amount of skills and playstyles to master is what makes Dota fun for a noob, IMO. It's a learning curve that takes months to plateau and all the while you'll be challenging yourself to learn and get better.

Also #5 is bad advice. If you are playing a carry you don't have the time or money to be placing/buying wards unless it's the very start of the match.

Playing a carry in general might not be a good idea until you're sure your team can rely on you to finish the game for them. Basically make sure you've honed your farming skills and you know how to stay alive. Each death will set you back a good 2-3 minutes on your farm at least.

[–]Bpbegha[S] 8 points9 points ago

Original post [ r/DOTA2 ] http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/11w9z9/10_beginner_questions_for_dota_2/

All credit goes to -DimensiO-

[–]listix 3 points4 points ago

I was thinking of giving this game a try sometime, but now I think its not worth my time.

[–]Gotflow 2 points3 points ago

I like how you start off stating that this game is not fun for beginners, you come off as an elitist cunt constantly trying to get better just for the sake of being better. Whats the point then? Why would i waste my fucking time on this game if its not fun for beginners? Why would i bother to get better?

[–]The_Poopester 2 points3 points ago

Who the fuck wrote this?

[–]RiverZtyx 2 points3 points ago

Ok, so I actually thought I'd be cool and play bots for my first match. Even then the idiot in my team raged the fuck out and threatened to report me, while he was doing worse than me. Ain't nobody got time for that! I was merely trying to figure out what items to buy, coming from the old DotA. Games take an hour or more, you can't leave and everybody is vitriol as fuck. No thank you.

[–]Lottobuny 2 points3 points ago

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqgO-SSSQ-_mdHo2c1BHbDNFTWJXYW8zSDlwQ0ZuV2c#gid=0

r/Dota2's list of coaches willing to help players at any level

[–]DunkTheLunk 0 points1 point ago

It's things like this that make me realize I'm not hardcore. Silly me, wanting to have fun while playing games.

[–]LordofKleenex 2 points3 points ago

Your video game has a serious problem when you have to ask every beginner 10 not so easy questions and practice for hours on end just to make them able to be a halfway decent part of the team.

[–]LennoxFranklin 3 points4 points ago

The only winning move is not to play.

[–]Fizzyotter 3 points4 points ago

I've tried moba style games before. Never enjoyed them. Mostly due to the god awful community.

[–]Deto 0 points1 point ago

"11. Why aren't you playing LoL instead?"

[–]ATownStomp 0 points1 point ago

MOBA's are perfect game type for players who enjoy the majesty of having no life without the social obligation of MMO's!

[–]dmizz 2 points3 points ago

10 Reasons To Avoid Dota 2

[–]JayDecay 0 points1 point ago

I got accepted into the beta, played like three matches, tried bots, looked at help online, and have come to the realization that I don't understand how so many people play a game that they're not even having fun playing. It's like the gaming equivalent to a bunch of people doing a bunch of chores, bragging about how good they are at it, while yelling "Fuck you, you suck!" at everyone who is trying to learn how to do the chores.

Edit: What I really don't understand is why the fuck the game doesn't have a comprehensive tutorial, would it really be that hard to program?

[–]MAYhien 1 point2 points ago

I'm a laggard. I'm still play DOTA1 regularly.

[–]beetnemesis 0 points1 point ago

Man, that game is tedious. I've actually had a decent experience as a noob- I watched friends play enough DotA1 that I at least understand the basics, and the matchmaking put me with other noobs. But the time/fun ratio is terrible.

[–]krshgr 0 points1 point ago

I don't think I'll ever understand this game.

[–]Lysandus 0 points1 point ago

These are not beginner questions. Wtf is a carry? Who is a courier? Of course I look at the mini map.

[–]Nlelith 1 point2 points ago

Ok, while I get that the community does suck, people act like this is the first game with noob-shaming.

It's not exactly like people explained to you nice and friendly how to plant the bomb in CS 1.5.

[–]randuinoranaas -1 points0 points ago

This is some deep stuff

[–]many_masons 1 point2 points ago

How to play dota 2 really confuses me could someone answer these questions?

• how do I upgrade from the spectator client

• is it in beta

• if its in beta will it end

• is it free

Thanks

[–]Talkar 1 point2 points ago

I wouldn't say the game isn't fun. But i will say that if you own WarCraft 3, you already own Dota 2 :P

[–]Motown2003 0 points1 point ago

i would like to try dota only problem is been waiting for an invite to the game now for a couple of days and im not going to pay 30 bucks for a game i can play for free in league. but i like the list wish someone would make one for lol.

[–]Max45a 0 points1 point ago

DOTA 2 is not a game to have fun as a beginner...

Man, that totally ruins the game because of some fatass.

[–]Neenjaboy -1 points0 points ago

I'm way out of the loop, what us Dota?

[–]dubesor86 1 point2 points ago

Stopped reading at 2.) Want to have fun? Play bots.

[–]NuclearMeatball 1 point2 points ago

I miss the Frozen Throne days when I could play a game to relax and have fun. Let my hero auto-attack without getting bitched at. This is why I don't play MOBAs anymore.

[–]KingPine 0 points1 point ago

This is ridiculous. I get that it's a joke, but come on.

I'm a new player, and I jump in public lobbies, try out different carries, and mess around when I feel like it. Sometimes I do great, sometimes I don't, but I always have fun in the end, and laugh off the losses with my team-mates.

MOBAs are frustrating, but it's like any sport. Be cheerful and relaxed, and your team-mates will be the same to you. :/

Some people are scared of losing and just get so angry right away for no reason...

[–]probo1 0 points1 point ago

It's a game with great focus on teamplay and cooperation, played by people that don't know eachother and in all probability hates eachother.

What could go wrong?

[–]TelstarGlitch 1 point2 points ago

It's a MOBA everybody! Where we say "Fuck that!" to having fun and treat it like a second job.

Just makes you want to play the fuck out of it, huh?

[–]Maraketh -1 points0 points ago

Rules 1 and 2 are the reason I stopped playing MOBAs.

[–]Sixx-n-Twisted 1 point2 points ago

All these rules can basically be applied to just about any mmo out there. Dont be an egotistical ass and play only for your own sake. Think about the team you are on and what its going to take for your team to win.

[–]Friendlysoul 0 points1 point ago

I love the second one: Want to have fun? Play bots.

I believe the LoL community needs to learn the 5th one: Being a non-support player doesn't mean you shouldn't buy one. (ward)

[–]EvilCyborg10 -1 points0 points ago

All of this is true, I wish I could hand this out at the start of a match.

[–]redilred 1 point2 points ago

My solution was to stop playing. Seriously not my kind of game. Still fun though.

[–]Kryptiks -1 points0 points ago

Everyone seems to be bashing dota 2 for the hostility. However back when i used to play league it was probably worse. And this was in all brackets, from about 1400-2100.

[–]M3D1C14N 1 point2 points ago

Beginner? These questions should be asked by everyone at ever single level of every MOBA out there.

[–]bonzapizza 0 points1 point ago

In discussing this with a heap of players in threads and irc, it is pretty clear that dota is one of those games with a steep learning curve for beginners.

I remember playing HON and LOL for the first time, and the amount of things you have to take in consideration to just play is astounding (what hero to pick, items, how to access shop lists, what items, where to go, what abilities to level, how to level them, what lane to be in, how to last hit, how to deny, how to harass, how to position, etc etc...).

Particularly when coming from FPS land (albeit TF2), you can't just start a game and hope to have a good time going 0-15, with >50 gpm. RTS beginners can learn through tutorials and regular play, but a lot of DOTA play is situational, and besides the basics, there is a whole different level of play that you don't even think about.

I found a lot of the time, i'd learn things purely by someone else pointing it out. For example, ward spots on high terrain, rune timing, attack modifiers, lifesteal, armor, casting orders. The first few months of DOTA was just torture. Mistakes, abuse, concede. Repeat.

The picture seems to be aimed at the intermediate players, who cbf playing DOTA without getting kills. TBH the teamplay aspect of public DOTA play has always been centred around selfish play to get kills. Very rarely will you get a good player, who will: willingly support, willingly put up with being the only support, sacrifice themselves and kills for the team, build items which benefit the team.

The problem is that a lot of DOTA games amongst intermediate players consist of gamers who are both good and selfish. It only takes one idiot to pick the agi carry to throw out the team dynamics of the other four. You end up with a situation where decent players are playing with first time noobs, and then they lose, and then those same decent players think they've got to go a carry in order to 'carry' their team, resulting in a lop-sided team and another loss.

TL;DR - Go agi carry, buy boots first, win games.

[–]Raoul_Duke_ESQ 1 point2 points ago

I don't understand what any of this means. What comes before 'beginner?'

[–]TheYe 0 points1 point ago

When playing LoL back then, i started to just ignore everybody who i didn't want to listen to, with recent changes it became even easier to ignore people. Makes the game a lot less stressful. No need to listen to bullshit, just play. You can play with your team or you can just shut them up and play, it really doesn't matter, as long as YOU have fun. Let the others rage.

[–]GordonMcFreeman 0 points1 point ago

I think it's funny how most all these questions apply to LoL as well.

[–]matrixrory 0 points1 point ago

this is really good. one thing i dont get is what character does what. so like im joining a bot match and have no idea what the character i chose is good for. i dont know how to play each character.

[–]ButterTime 0 points1 point ago

These fit just as well for league of legends.

[–]10tothe24th 1 point2 points ago

So let me get this straight... I shouldn't play with people if I just want to have fun?

[–]TheGameCamel 1 point2 points ago

I like how the guy who created a "10 Beginner Questions for Dota 2" chart says "grow up"...

[–]blind96 1 point2 points ago

Wow, if you guys think that the DOTA 2 community is harsh, try DotA's. ;)

[–]Grx 0 points1 point ago

After browsing the comments I get the feeling that this got upvoted only by people that already play DOTA2...

[–]Aldesso 1 point2 points ago

few questions really. Got Dota 2 and really want to play it, but what is a courier and what are wards

[–]falconcountry 0 points1 point ago

i thought it said beginner questions not "go fuck yourself"

[–]DeliriousYeti 0 points1 point ago

All I'm reading is, "This game tries its hardest NOT to be fun. Where that fails, the community succeeds".

[–]nisseskjegg 0 points1 point ago

I Saw that you could trade with Dota 2 so i thought it was a mmo or something, quite wrong wasn't i?

[–]rshoffman -1 points0 points ago

I downloaded Dota 2, opened it up, had no idea what was going on, and closed it. never played it again. why would you make a game with no instructions on what the hell is going on at all?

[–]LordOfTurtles 0 points1 point ago

I'm still going to play humans for fun and you're going to have to deal with it.

[–]frazehaze -1 points0 points ago

Why are all moba-communities retarded and hostile towards beginners?

[–]xwater -1 points0 points ago

"Dota 2 is not a game to have fun with as a beginner"

Why the fuck else would you play a game? I understand that a bad player can ruin the chances of winning, but with matchmaking pairing up players of similar skill, It's not too big of an issue.

Personally, if you're playing a game, you should be having fun with it, from the start to the end.

[–]dylanland234 1 point2 points ago

What does carrying mean? Sorry i know i am stupid. Down vote away.

[–]tonywartooth 0 points1 point ago

Vidya is srs bzns. Piss off with your butthurts.

[–]Whistler7 1 point2 points ago

ITT: people who have never played dota criticizing dota

[–]DONT_JIZZ_ON_ME 0 points1 point ago

"Dota 2 is not a game to have fun with as a beginner"

And that's exactly why I don't play MOBAs.